Problematic Creators
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@acervoid Yes, I read it and it's omitting important information that changes that context of why many of the things that happened, did.
One: Shoggoth was made specifically as a personal project for Torinyan to relax, and they were not intending to take ANY suggestions about it at all due to being slammed with deconstructive criticism and outright horrible remarks for several of the last models they've made by people who honestly, and this is be generous, are at entitled and rude. This showed up again when people felt entitled to getting a dress for free that wasn't planned to be made to begin with, that some also thought wasn't pretty enough but hey, Torinyan made it quick to appease those that wanted it more SFW but it wasn't ENOUGH. The fact they did end up making the dress at all after all that bullshit was nice of them and added extra body sliders was a bonus. As the ex-community manager Runya had no business basically slapping their employer in the face by criticizing them like that when plenty of models on the market are similar or far worse when they already know WHY the model was being made.
Two: The hate raid thing was another matter, it wasn't just upvoting a suggestion, people were also making remarks outside of that, that with the context I just gave, would not be taken well, at all. Did people have the right to make them? Sure. But did Tori have the right to get upset. Also yes, especially considering why they were making the model in the first place.
Three: Yargon themself claims to want Torinyan to succeed but publicizes what's happening in a negative light instead of reflecting on and even adding why they probably got banned themselves.
The entire thread is just painting a huge target on Torinyans back instead of highlighting faults on both sides which be far more conducive to that single statement "they want Torinyan to succeed" and would have painted everything they said in a better picture, instead of the whole thread just being an attack on Torinyan as a person. So the thread is garbage when you recognize it as being no better than a one-sided hit piece.
Four: The thread also spreads more lies involving the permissions involving the models, no one got permission for jack shit. Unless someone gets absolute proof from the original artist that they had permission to make the model, then they didn't have permission. Burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, if they can't prove it then they can't or should not be making it at all, which makes it essentially a false statement. So no proof of permission, no permission at all.
@zeikrius The Shoggoth dress situation was people commenting on how the Dress should be the default state instead of NSFW off the bat. because of Torinyans relation to VRC directly with having avatars promoted and stuff on the market. due to Shoggoths default state would not be considered TOS for vrc rulings people wanted the dress as default because it means you would have to buy the avatar and an ADDON to make it sfw so people could go around and show the avatar off.
and the Hate raids got labeled as such for a few people trying to air their opinion on what was happening and Tori themselves was seeming to be extremely trigger happy on the ban button whenever someone said something they didnt like. the chats were scrubbed multiple times of what they themselves said to people and all arguments/criticism would get scrubbed aswell.
Along with the fact of everysingle claim of the Nradiowave Dissaproving anything has never been proven with any evidence besides code and tori going "we say they said this"
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@zeikrius The Shoggoth dress situation was people commenting on how the Dress should be the default state instead of NSFW off the bat. because of Torinyans relation to VRC directly with having avatars promoted and stuff on the market. due to Shoggoths default state would not be considered TOS for vrc rulings people wanted the dress as default because it means you would have to buy the avatar and an ADDON to make it sfw so people could go around and show the avatar off.
and the Hate raids got labeled as such for a few people trying to air their opinion on what was happening and Tori themselves was seeming to be extremely trigger happy on the ban button whenever someone said something they didnt like. the chats were scrubbed multiple times of what they themselves said to people and all arguments/criticism would get scrubbed aswell.
Along with the fact of everysingle claim of the Nradiowave Dissaproving anything has never been proven with any evidence besides code and tori going "we say they said this"
Edit: I wrote this when tired, sorry if it's a mess.
@acervoid First off, Polybunny doesn't have real evidence of having permission from NRadiowave or any of the artists they supposedly reference either so, your point is moot. They plagiarized until they can prove otherwise.
And as I mentioned, there are worse models that show more and no one has been banned for them that I know of. What you keep ignoring is it wasn't just one person doing it, it was multiple people. How many people need to bring up the same thing when that's the one thing Tori specifically hates. They take in criticism, they address concerns. They don't appreciate having 5-10 people pestering them all at the same time telling them "hey you should do this thing" or "i don't like this thing" when it's all the same thing.
Imagine being a room with people doing that to you, and being about the work you are doing to pays to keep you alive so you can't stop listening or doing your job. How fucking stressful is that? And then you have someone who you trusted to help you on a project rip the rug out from under you and then it looks like they basically rip off not just your work, but the work of someone else too with their own newly announced project, and you might be responsible for it because of your success.
Are you capable of that kind of awareness? And if you argue 'Well it's the internet". So what? Tori can't just quit or ignore it, they can only do what they did. And if you tell me to pay attention to the other side, the other side is the problem. When I called them entitled I meant Entitled. They don't care about anything but what they want. They don't care about who it hurts or what it comes off across as, and when it bites them back they act all shocked and hurt because there were consequences for their actions. Sure some of them meant well but, unwanted opinions no matter how well intended are still unwanted, and if you keep pestering people you are going to piss them off.
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also more from co eve if you want to read it https://forum.ripper.store/post/1081430
for those who dont want to click the link:
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@acervoid Yes, I read it and it's omitting important information that changes that context of why many of the things that happened, did.
One: Shoggoth was made specifically as a personal project for Torinyan to relax, and they were not intending to take ANY suggestions about it at all due to being slammed with deconstructive criticism and outright horrible remarks for several of the last models they've made by people who honestly, and this is be generous, are at entitled and rude. This showed up again when people felt entitled to getting a dress for free that wasn't planned to be made to begin with, that some also thought wasn't pretty enough but hey, Torinyan made it quick to appease those that wanted it more SFW but it wasn't ENOUGH. The fact they did end up making the dress at all after all that bullshit was nice of them and added extra body sliders was a bonus. As the ex-community manager Runya had no business basically slapping their employer in the face by criticizing them like that when plenty of models on the market are similar or far worse when they already know WHY the model was being made.
Two: The hate raid thing was another matter, it wasn't just upvoting a suggestion, people were also making remarks outside of that, that with the context I just gave, would not be taken well, at all. Did people have the right to make them? Sure. But did Tori have the right to get upset. Also yes, especially considering why they were making the model in the first place.
Three: Yargon themself claims to want Torinyan to succeed but publicizes what's happening in a negative light instead of reflecting on and even adding why they probably got banned themselves.
The entire thread is just painting a huge target on Torinyans back instead of highlighting faults on both sides which be far more conducive to that single statement "they want Torinyan to succeed" and would have painted everything they said in a better picture, instead of the whole thread just being an attack on Torinyan as a person. So the thread is garbage when you recognize it as being no better than a one-sided hit piece.
Four: The thread also spreads more lies involving the permissions involving the models, no one got permission for jack shit. Unless someone gets absolute proof from the original artist that they had permission to make the model, then they didn't have permission. Burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, if they can't prove it then they can't or should not be making it at all, which makes it essentially a false statement. So no proof of permission, no permission at all.
I genuinely thank you for this post because it addresses huge issues that are often ignored.
English is not my native language and it's pretty hard for me to convey some things.People look at the hate Thread they make and take it way too much at face value and ignore everything else around it.
Nothing actually there serves as proof, it's just personal attacks but somehow people point at it like some form of proof.Feel free to ask and I'll try to provide an answer regarding anything to this drama.
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y'all why are the cutesy booth edit creators such bitches?? are there ANY normal ones?
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y'all why are the cutesy booth edit creators such bitches?? are there ANY normal ones?
@DeepDishBussy There are some really sweet cutecore booth creators out there you just gotta look. Most of them aren't to known cause the rude creators always take the spotlight but dw there are some really sweet creators out there
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y'all why are the cutesy booth edit creators such bitches?? are there ANY normal ones?
Haven't met a single "cutecore" creator that isn't one.
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Update on the Nueki situation; she doubled down on her bullshit. I made a brief video explaining the situation and my experience, and she hopped into my comments to promptly doxx me by sharing a PayPal receipt with my full legal name on it in a vain attempt to try and prove she's in the right by having refunded my money. While I am glad to have gotten my money back, my experience with her has definitely soured me from commissions. She also fed me novel-length paragraphs of her living situation, disabilities, etc to try and get empathy from me. She also tried to call me a two-faced bitch in my DMs because a now ex-friend of mine went behind my back and shared screenshots of my venting about the whole situation to her. Oh and she tried to call me ableist... girl, I am disabled. I fully empathize with her situation, income, etc but when you give me these novel-length messages they come off as less empathetic and more like making excuses for your lack of professionalism.
The main crux of my issues with her turned out to be her exclusivity clause. When I initially placed the commission I told her I was fine with my model being non-exclusive. However after about three months of very intermittent communication and feeling uneasy/wanting peace of mind I asked if I could have my model be exclusive to me and was more than willing to pay the fee to do so as she had not started working on my commission yet. She reacted with another novel-length message and dropped a bomb on me stating that my model had already been put up for pre-sales and people had already put money down for the model and she didn't want to refund them because it would lose her money and her only source of income has been pay-to-use avatars and she was even considering ceasing commissions because they don't bring her enough money (gee I wonder why?).
I had never been told that she was setting up my model for any sort of sales when I chose to make it non-exclusive initially and have never experienced another creator doing something like this. Because she refused to make it exclusive to me, I was under the assumption that it wouldn't be put up for sale until I received it first but I guess Nueki runs her business differently - though she hilariously claims that several creators on Gumroad/Payhip/etc do similar practices. She has also since claimed that I rudely made a last-minute request when the exact opposite is true. I messaged her politely and stated how "the more I think about it the more I'd prefer my model to be exclusive to me. I'm willing to pay the extra fee." But no, paint me as the rude, entitled bitch I guess.
I hope people rip her models and share them on here because God knows she fucking deserves it.
@Sythra She even has videos ranting about you on her tiktok goddamn
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@Sythra She even has videos ranting about you on her tiktok goddamn
Lmao of fucking course she does. Probably trying to call me all sorts of BS even though I have receipts of her actions. Yet she's the one that tried to sic her followers after me on her Discord to tell them to mass report my TikTok account after she publicly doxxed my full legal name for the entire internet to see in my comment section and on her own channel.
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y'all why are the cutesy booth edit creators such bitches?? are there ANY normal ones?
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Idk but Roflgator just give us biggest lores ever, and we all thankful for these information.
@uwuowoawa Ofc, If you wish for me to give more I'm 100% fine with it. This only like 1%
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@uwuowoawa Ofc, If you wish for me to give more I'm 100% fine with it. This only like 1%
@Roflgator I and other readers will be fine if you give more information about problematic vrchat creators, because this is how this forum topic working. Me and myself understand there are many nicest, kindest vrchat creators out there that still care about their community. Unfortunately, most problematic creators are more popular since they have many connections.
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@Roflgator I and other readers will be fine if you give more information about problematic vrchat creators, because this is how this forum topic working. Me and myself understand there are many nicest, kindest vrchat creators out there that still care about their community. Unfortunately, most problematic creators are more popular since they have many connections.
@uwuowoawa bet I just want make sure people like it, Cause it is a lot work to write
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i thought SmolOshino was dating liiel, never knew much more beyond that. being bitchy over a colour palette is so childish, that is the shit youd see on deviantart in 2015 from children
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i liked reading it a lot. i think about things that creators do, and even though i don't know these creators specifically, a see a lot of similar behaviors from where i am in the community. it is genuinely so refreshing to see pushback and recognition that we can do better- and the reassurance that these things that are done are not beneficial.
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i thought SmolOshino was dating liiel, never knew much more beyond that. being bitchy over a colour palette is so childish, that is the shit youd see on deviantart in 2015 from children
@DeepDishBussy Additional small info to that, How do you think she influenced that realtionship
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i liked reading it a lot. i think about things that creators do, and even though i don't know these creators specifically, a see a lot of similar behaviors from where i am in the community. it is genuinely so refreshing to see pushback and recognition that we can do better- and the reassurance that these things that are done are not beneficial.
@kitties9999 That means a lot
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Huge creator, Torinyan actually has become quite problematic. Mass banning of popular people in their server, silencing people who speak up about it. and even banning and ostracizing one of their employees.
Currently is extremely hostile and bans for the smallest of actions. and when one of their longest business partners Polybunny. who has been a large contributor of assets and addons for torinyan avatars. had spent over a year of designing and planning a refresh/Update to the Tetsuko avatar, to bring it upto modern ish standards WORKING with torinyan for it. around the release of shoggoth it was retconned because of torinyans "evolving" standards. which was getting more Totalitarian. there is ALOT more to the fckn story which i will link a timeline of events post. (https://bsky.app/profile/yargon.bsky.social/post/3lvtmapkzkk2b)But to summ the recent event. Polybunny has decided over 2 yr ago to make their own avatar down the line. They painstakingly gathered references and created a design from scratch. and are in the progress of doing their own Robot avatar, with inspiration from their collaborative work with Torinyan. and they shared it with torinyan before they even announced it in their own server for their 2 year anniversary. which Torinyan immediately decided to take it as a personal slight of the highest order claiming direct Plagerism and using designs. "THERE IS NO COPYRIGHT ON MAKING A SMOOTH BODY ROBOT" and proceeded to ban and remove all polybunny assets and the creators inside their server and have a spy account inside the polybunny server. anyone who has spoken at all in the polybunny server has gotten banned without zero warning. as of 8/17/2025 Torinyan has decided to release a "new" avatar as a direct jab at polybunny for their new avatar.
It is absolute fucking pettiness https://tori-nyan.booth.pm/items/7314892
The community that i know is left in the server are either yes-men or are too scared to bring up their opinion or speak on anything on the premise of getting banned. i might of missed a thing or two. but its all i can handle with how pissed i am.
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