Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:
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probably should've waited atleast a few days to a week to share, just so sales can be legit for a while like with most assets, give the koi and code a bit of profit time
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@MiyokoVR he honestly doesn't deserve it after this behavior hes putting on right now.
@lovenightsky can someone fill me in? I must be out of the loop rn
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@lovenightsky can someone fill me in? I must be out of the loop rn
@titanwillfall10 its quite a bit honestly. one thing is that Polybunny and torinyan are no longer business partners.
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@titanwillfall10 Polybunny announced they were releasing a model that looks like a ripoff of Runa and infringes on the original artists work, no matter what their claims are on how it started and their work process, it's what it came out to be in the end. In addition they were working on an update for Tetsuko for Torinyan for the last six? months or so and when they announced the model they dropped it on Torinyan, from what I understand, unfinished with improper testing being done on the materials so it had some pretty bad lighting problems.
Torinyan took it badly and had every right to, and so in the end I guess they released a model that looks close to the one Polybunny has.
@lovenightsky is just being rude. Why don't you leak Polybunny's model too since it's basically the same model when it gets released?
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@Axalara79 Reading through that I get what they are saying, but there becomes a point where it isn't just referencing art anymore and becomes copying. If you are trying to get a certain look, you can end up in the area of copyright infringement, whether it was intended or accidental. There are plenty of examples in other forms of art, especially traditional art and music, where people straight up copied another persons work by sheer accident. So saying they used other peoples work as an influence or reference is a very thin line and doesn't hold up when their product appears to rip off aspects of another persons work.
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@Axalara79 Reading through that I get what they are saying, but there becomes a point where it isn't just referencing art anymore and becomes copying. If you are trying to get a certain look, you can end up in the area of copyright infringement, whether it was intended or accidental. There are plenty of examples in other forms of art, especially traditional art and music, where people straight up copied another persons work by sheer accident. So saying they used other peoples work as an influence or reference is a very thin line and doesn't hold up when their product appears to rip off aspects of another persons work.
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https://bsky.app/profile/yargon.bsky.social/post/3lvtmapkzkk2b Please Check out the Thread that gives an actual timeline of events of what has happened. Including the Photo evidence and proof.
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@Axalara79 They're conveniently ignoring that nradiowave also disapproves of their design. They latch onto what's convenient and ignore the main issues:
- They kept the Avatar deliberately secret from us, despite me asking for it for months (for a reason)
- Both artists, Nradiowave and Koi, disapprove of their design because they consider it plagiarism
To point 1:
They talk about professional courtesy and how they contacted me prior, yes they waited for me to go on vacation, send me a message and then not even 15 hours later they suddenly announced their product (without me being able to even respond to it. They felt the need to mention this specifically because they know what they do is just a bootleg of our design and just wanted to cover their asses with "oh but we contacted them".
You do NOT make a product for half a year, know that you require to message me about a design that closely resembles ours and then do it less than 24 hours prior to announcing it. You do this during concepting, this is a step that should have happened 4-5 months ago.
To point 2:
Again, the two original designers of Runa consider it a copy and having 30 half-assed responses from their community go "ackchually you didn't copyright it" is just fucking stupid. Their defense lies in the fact that we did in fact not Copyright a design, great. I dare you to cut out the head from their Avatar and tell me it doesn't look like some Runa edit with random Booth head added on top.
Ask yourself why we planned a huge collab with them and suddenly cancelled it. Ask yourself why we promoted them in our community and let them advertise without any issues, for literal years. If they actually took a second to communicate with us about their design choices, this situation could be avoided.
Remember that we PAY the artists when we use their designs, because they contribute to the success by a huge margin with their designs. We buy the rights for a character, we give the artist a sum that they are happy with for their work and then we even give them a % cut of the sales.
Sorry but the absolute level of disrespect you need to bring to the table, to AVOID paying the artists is insane. How anyone can defend behaviour like this is beyond me and I will not act "calm" about what they are doing.I'd like to point out that Nradiowave specifically changed his stance on monetizing his designs a long time ago. He EXPLICITLY forbids commercial sales of his designs. So to heavily reference his design, not even contact him, to me that is literal theft of someones design.
It's why I react pretty harshly to people like you defending what they do, there's just no excuse.
I dare you to address Point 2.BTW here is an updated Nuna, make sure to spread it everywhere and share it:
If it asks for decryption key: pGaJaGL993DvBsOSVkTUUciQO5B7IIJQHY9faaRlD34
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@Axalara79 They're conveniently ignoring that nradiowave also disapproves of their design. They latch onto what's convenient and ignore the main issues:
- They kept the Avatar deliberately secret from us, despite me asking for it for months (for a reason)
- Both artists, Nradiowave and Koi, disapprove of their design because they consider it plagiarism
To point 1:
They talk about professional courtesy and how they contacted me prior, yes they waited for me to go on vacation, send me a message and then not even 15 hours later they suddenly announced their product (without me being able to even respond to it. They felt the need to mention this specifically because they know what they do is just a bootleg of our design and just wanted to cover their asses with "oh but we contacted them".
You do NOT make a product for half a year, know that you require to message me about a design that closely resembles ours and then do it less than 24 hours prior to announcing it. You do this during concepting, this is a step that should have happened 4-5 months ago.
To point 2:
Again, the two original designers of Runa consider it a copy and having 30 half-assed responses from their community go "ackchually you didn't copyright it" is just fucking stupid. Their defense lies in the fact that we did in fact not Copyright a design, great. I dare you to cut out the head from their Avatar and tell me it doesn't look like some Runa edit with random Booth head added on top.
Ask yourself why we planned a huge collab with them and suddenly cancelled it. Ask yourself why we promoted them in our community and let them advertise without any issues, for literal years. If they actually took a second to communicate with us about their design choices, this situation could be avoided.
Remember that we PAY the artists when we use their designs, because they contribute to the success by a huge margin with their designs. We buy the rights for a character, we give the artist a sum that they are happy with for their work and then we even give them a % cut of the sales.
Sorry but the absolute level of disrespect you need to bring to the table, to AVOID paying the artists is insane. How anyone can defend behaviour like this is beyond me and I will not act "calm" about what they are doing.I'd like to point out that Nradiowave specifically changed his stance on monetizing his designs a long time ago. He EXPLICITLY forbids commercial sales of his designs. So to heavily reference his design, not even contact him, to me that is literal theft of someones design.
It's why I react pretty harshly to people like you defending what they do, there's just no excuse.
I dare you to address Point 2.BTW here is an updated Nuna, make sure to spread it everywhere and share it:
If it asks for decryption key: pGaJaGL993DvBsOSVkTUUciQO5B7IIJQHY9faaRlD34
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@Axalara79 They're conveniently ignoring that nradiowave also disapproves of their design. They latch onto what's convenient and ignore the main issues:
- They kept the Avatar deliberately secret from us, despite me asking for it for months (for a reason)
- Both artists, Nradiowave and Koi, disapprove of their design because they consider it plagiarism
To point 1:
They talk about professional courtesy and how they contacted me prior, yes they waited for me to go on vacation, send me a message and then not even 15 hours later they suddenly announced their product (without me being able to even respond to it. They felt the need to mention this specifically because they know what they do is just a bootleg of our design and just wanted to cover their asses with "oh but we contacted them".
You do NOT make a product for half a year, know that you require to message me about a design that closely resembles ours and then do it less than 24 hours prior to announcing it. You do this during concepting, this is a step that should have happened 4-5 months ago.
To point 2:
Again, the two original designers of Runa consider it a copy and having 30 half-assed responses from their community go "ackchually you didn't copyright it" is just fucking stupid. Their defense lies in the fact that we did in fact not Copyright a design, great. I dare you to cut out the head from their Avatar and tell me it doesn't look like some Runa edit with random Booth head added on top.
Ask yourself why we planned a huge collab with them and suddenly cancelled it. Ask yourself why we promoted them in our community and let them advertise without any issues, for literal years. If they actually took a second to communicate with us about their design choices, this situation could be avoided.
Remember that we PAY the artists when we use their designs, because they contribute to the success by a huge margin with their designs. We buy the rights for a character, we give the artist a sum that they are happy with for their work and then we even give them a % cut of the sales.
Sorry but the absolute level of disrespect you need to bring to the table, to AVOID paying the artists is insane. How anyone can defend behaviour like this is beyond me and I will not act "calm" about what they are doing.I'd like to point out that Nradiowave specifically changed his stance on monetizing his designs a long time ago. He EXPLICITLY forbids commercial sales of his designs. So to heavily reference his design, not even contact him, to me that is literal theft of someones design.
It's why I react pretty harshly to people like you defending what they do, there's just no excuse.
I dare you to address Point 2.BTW here is an updated Nuna, make sure to spread it everywhere and share it:
If it asks for decryption key: pGaJaGL993DvBsOSVkTUUciQO5B7IIJQHY9faaRlD34
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@Axalara79 They probably just misunderstood your intent behind the screenshots of the messages.
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At this point i am going to refrain from buying anything for any of these avi's for quite a while till everything is aired out. i was tempted to buy shoggoth, but not so much now. I think that money can go into Uruki.
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@titanwillfall10 Polybunny announced they were releasing a model that looks like a ripoff of Runa and infringes on the original artists work, no matter what their claims are on how it started and their work process, it's what it came out to be in the end. In addition they were working on an update for Tetsuko for Torinyan for the last six? months or so and when they announced the model they dropped it on Torinyan, from what I understand, unfinished with improper testing being done on the materials so it had some pretty bad lighting problems.
Torinyan took it badly and had every right to, and so in the end I guess they released a model that looks close to the one Polybunny has.
@lovenightsky is just being rude. Why don't you leak Polybunny's model too since it's basically the same model when it gets released?
@zeikrius why do you think i wont leak that one lol? i didnt buy this and i will be buying nene.
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i also dont think you need permission to make a robot girl, yes they look similar but tori basically took the most simplistic design and called it his already, its outdated and he isnt bothering to change his head design so there needs to be new products. i bet if you put all his "una" avis next to eachother including mori and ruruh you couldnt tell me what model is what.
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I approve of sharing this, go spread the word!
@C0-Eve even if you didnt im still sharing but thanks for the permission i guess?
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who startin drama
@millybilly123 no one really in this thread but we are all holding off, im guessing for a bit till it all blows over and we have everything cleared up.
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