Endo and chassis, take this down, Poly

https://cyberdrop.me/f/rPqEVvZW1AooH
https://cyberdrop.me/f/BN49uv7UC31ih
https://cyberdrop.me/f/tQ7jaIBBLCbQU

Anyone can share the latest version? Should be 1.02

@pock5879 It probably is included with the avatar itself, so until someone leaks it the patch is inaccessible

@Avatergrabber That's the old version, this one is the one with the bunny suit and only sold for 2 days, name file should be CHESHIRE_GA2

@SeraphicRoses I'm sorry that you think you're "owning" me with your shitty reply but the link is now expired, if you check at the date, you can't download anything without paying, which might as well make it worthless.

Try download it now from the same link, if you're think you're so smart, dumbass.

@SeraphicRoses Where did you see me bitch about it? I literally tried it and this is what I get. "The data package has expired
You can only download this data package with a premium account which you can activate in a few minutes."

Instead of coming all smug how about you tell me, dear user, how to get past this without buying premium on this site? Cause it has nothing to do with adblocker.

@burgerbutcold Yeah both files have been taken down for copyright already, can't grab them

Need re-upload of the chassis and the endoskeleton, polybunny sure is checking this every hour it feels like.

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Any reuploads? I missed it sadge

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@godamongdogs said in LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets):

Personally I've never complained about any of Tori's avis, and I never will bc so faar I love them all. and I wanna see them make tons of more shit, SO AT LEAST SUPPORT THEM

Instead of complaing like little kids about a small 60 bucks, if that is not small for you. go get a JOB

Please, use more ad hominems, I love them all, make sure to ask your parents how to use the dictionary though since I doubt you know what that term means. Also do list all the Tori assets you've bought, since you seem very enthusiastic about your moral high ground while asking for an insane amount of models on this forum.

@Clown said in LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets):

Enough with that! I dont give two shits what people think or say I just wannted to give my take on this shit show is all. <-- Dont expect a reply.

For not giving a shit you sure typed a lot, sorry that some of us actually put value to money, but hey the username sure checks out.

But yeah, will support this model or any other you make if I consider it a good value, my two cents is that I would love more stuff on the ballpark of Cherrycubus or even the Pink Runa.

@C0-Eve said in LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets):

You guys need to understand that you don't need to buy my add-ons to customize Runa, a lot of people make their own stuff or just put something together with a random assortment of assets. I also see what people like in my statistics and sales, I see what they're willing to spend and what's popular with people.

Okay, so your audience is "people that do their own work", that's cool and all, I've done some editing to Runa before, but ultimately the amount of people who do from scratch addons for their own Runa is ridiculously low, like, the vast majority of edits I see around are just variations of your own overpriced assets. Sure, some people will be fine simply changing the colour palette and calling it a day, but that gets exhausted quick because again, it's a model for a social game where people want to be unique, not a model used to make an Unity game.

I will also say that using "my customers don't complain" as a point is completely void, no shit your customers are gonna be happy with what they get, they paid for it, they get what they wanted to pay for and for them 60 bucks is a drop in the bucket. That's like saying Call of Duty games are amazing value cause you know, people buy it and the people that pay money are fine with it.

I also need to take feedback from piracy websites about my prices with a grain of salt (for obvious reasons) because it's almost exclusively a complaint from here and not feedback that's coming from my customers.

I'd say feedback from here is more valuable towards making more sales than the feedback of the people that already paid you. Again, why would your customers complain about the price when they already paid you? It makes no sense to me.

Another issue I saw from people here is that If I make legs now an sell them for 15$, people will think it's fine. However, if I make 10 legs and sell each for 15$ then those same people will go "What, 150$ worth of addons?" Just makes no sense to me, sorry.

I think it's a completely different example, cause making 10 of the same item is not the same as making 10 different items for different use cases. You only need one pair of legs to pick from 10, you potentially need multiple different addons to make different parts of her body unique. Choice is good, but you're not choosing Jam jars for Runa, you're choosing all the parts of the sandwich separately.

To give 0 value to optimization here and say "it's your choice is a creator" is also nonsense. Yeah no shit that it's my choice but that's not a "you didn't need to do this" thing. I want to release quality stuff, simple as that. A lot of my community members DO care for it, they're very hands-on with customizing my Avis and the optimization is a big selling point for them.

And what's this about "you don't get to decide on behalf of people" nonsense, as if I mass hypnotize people and force them to buy my products. Clearly when someone buys the products based on what I have listed and shown, it absolutely IS worth it the price to them. You get what you see, I always show the product from a lot of angles AND create a showcase video so people can see it in motion and use. My descriptions will always tell you what you're buying, all requirements are also ALWAYS listed. I will never make a product that "hides" flaws or requirements.

You missed the point of what I said or misunderstood it, my point is that if you choose to put more time and effort into optimizing your avatar, you don't get to decide on behalf of the customer the intrinsic value of how much of the final price is affected by optimization. Vast majority of the people in VRC are using Very Poor avatars, I personally notice 0 difference from one or two avatars being yours because the addons of Runa already make her Very Poor anyway.

I hold 0 value towards being charged as part of the final price for the extra optimization, as do plenty of people (which as you say, are not your customers already). How much do you value optimization? 20$? 30$? If your effort is such a selling point, I personally would prefer just selling different rated versions for a lesser price like some other creators do, if you don't want your hard work to go unpaid. I'd much rather pay 30,35 or even 40 for a Very Poor Cyant than 60 for a Medium one.

Also know that I am not here to pick fights, the piracy side of this is just really interesting to me because ultimately this is some form of advertisement for me and most importantly, it's also a good spot to collect feedback. You don't need to be my customer for me to care about your opinion, if you feel like 60$ is too much for example then that's already valuable feedback for me to collect. In hindsight maybe I should have made her 50$ again and tried to get a higher sales number instead of more from each sale. I think what I will do is release her on Boosty later down the line and make her like 40$ there (cause we get a better cut from Boosty).

Well we can definitely agree on something here, I think 40 bucks would have been a good value for the amount of work, even if still slightly lacking on features on release. I'm not an avatar creator, but I know how simple economics work. You say this is free advertisement for you, but so is people using your avatars in-game. Why settle for more money per sale when you could literally be drowning on it simply by getting more sales? More sales means more people using the avatar, more people that see it, more people that might get interested and buy it for themselves.

It's such a basic cycle that I'm shocked you didn't outright release her for 40$ on Boosty if the store cut is so heavy on the other two places.

But that's why she will receive a few free updates for now, because I am a little unhappy with the lack of Gun for example. Okay it looks cool in the holster but it just feels "wrong" that you can't use it right now. It's just more fun if you can pull and fire it. If you guys got suggestions for the laser turret, it would be greatly appreciated. I don't really want to make it fire and idk if it tracking your head would rotation/movement would just make it clip with yourself ...

I'm glad you're willing to update her for no extra cost. I'm someone that likes paying for value, I don't think kitbashed trash is worth 30 bucks, but I also don't think avatars with very, very light features are worth 60. I really love your work and I'll be happy to support Cyant or some other thing you make if it aligns with the value of some of your other avatars.

At the end of the day there's a heavy misconception about piracy, I'm not here because I don't want to pay, I'm here because I don't find it to be a good deal at present time. Limiting the access to content (through takedowns, DRM and such) will never get me to pay a single cent. But feedback being taken and value being improved will.

@C0-Eve said in LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets):

Are you expecting free work or something? Sorry, for not selling 30 kitbashed Avatars.
The original Avatar is good, it's being sold, then we work on an attachment. Of course we expect to get paid for the newly made thing.

You couldn't have missed the point harder if you tried, nobody is asking you to work for free, read the room. What people (like myself) are saying is that you are on the ENTERTAINMENT business, you don't sell models to enterprise, you sell models to people, for fun, as an avatar that they will probably only use with a single platform. You asking 60 dollars for a singular 3D model, as from scratch as it may be, it's absolutely ridiculous. With the quality of the avatar itself you would get double, triple the amount of people by simply being more affordable for the use case of the model, add a business license if you wanna suck some extra money off people with more use for the model than going to The Great Pug.

If we sell 3000 attachment for Runa, then of course the full thing will be expensive af but it also means we made 3000 new things LOL.

What kind of logic is this supposed to be? Robo GF Add-On was also 2 Sets of booba, a pussy-plate, a dick and an interior animated pump.

Let's make a quick price breakdown here, shall we? Runa costs 50$, with no other accessories, hairs, outfits, or almost any toggles. Then say you wanna have at least some breast sizes, an outfit and some hairs. Then that's another 30$, way more expensive than customizing any original model from booth, not even an e-girl from gumroad.

But the worst offender by far is the Robot gf upgrade, cause you NEED the Endoskeleton to get the full value of the already expensive 45$, that's a 60$ DLC. The DLC for the model is MORE EXPENSIVE than the model itself. Please read this carefully and tell me with a straight face that those pieces of customization deserve a higher price tag than the whole model on its own. Let me tell you looking at literally any good and popular booth model: they're not worth that much. Not even by a long shot.

I also put a lot of value into making sure that the released Avatars don't drop your friends FPS by 30 for just existing. Okay, optimization is not a cool funny feature to use, but it's pretty damn important and makes the creation process really hard and lengthy sometimes.

Cyant01 for example is 64k Poly, sorry but I'm really proud of that fact. Making completely new legs will be the work of 30-40% of making an Avatar from scratch again, how would you price that for example?

Props to you for actually bothering to optimize the models, but at the end of the day that's your choice as a creator, nobody ever buys avatars based on performance, people don't care they are 99% very poor, and the people who care will optimize it on their own accord and time. You don't get to decide something like that in the behalf of people who might not even care and then say they have to pay extra because of it.

As for your question, considering you already charge 60 bucks for the base avatar, 15 bucks. Price stuff according to the value of the whole, not on its own.

Also I will say that I bought Cherrycubus the moment she came out, 45 bucks for an avatar with a bunch of outfits, unique interactions and toggles? Super good value and I was fine supporting that. But this whole business with the robot avatars? Terrible value doesn't even begin to describe if you want even the most basic customization.

Sorry, don't care about the two weeks, this is a pirate forum based off a ripping site, here's three mirrors.

https://we.tl/t-5X0SbTcfFc
https://pixeldrain.com/u/NR3TtXqn
https://mega.nz/file/UItHEAJa#S9g5bj8bd6tXiFIkNnMv-BndCmENPtXlOphuWfjjN0U

I don't know if workupload is working for people or not so here's three more mirrors

https://we.tl/t-5X0SbTcfFc
https://pixeldrain.com/u/NR3TtXqn
https://mega.nz/file/UItHEAJa#S9g5bj8bd6tXiFIkNnMv-BndCmENPtXlOphuWfjjN0U

Eve already said this model is selling "extremely well" so I feel no sympathy for them trying to take this down, maybe don't charge the price of Baldur's Gate 3 for a model that's gonna have more DLC than a Koei Tecmo game.

Don't even try to report it, Tori, I will keep uploading it if it goes down.

@ShutDog1212 said in LF: CYANT by Torinyan:

At the very least if anyone wants to share it, wait 2 weeks so it won't affect Torinyan's sales. Or share it with the OP and have them only share it on this forum after 2 weeks have passed. Torinyan is one of the few model makers that actually communicates with us here and I'd like it if we could support them by being a little patient.

Yeah, I'm sure those 2 weeks are gonna prevent Tori from going homeless, bless the lord. It's not like you can't just grab every single Runa asset he has made from a mega thread you made and maintain updated, I'm sure those permanent links do a whole lot less "damage" to his sales than 2 very important weeks.

Anyone that has so little self control to impulse buy has already bought the avatar, and anyone that is going to buy it but doesn't have the money now will buy it anyway, your two weeks mean absolutely nothing. Not any more than having a permanent thread with dozens of Runa assets anyway.

@C0-Eve said in LF: CYANT by Torinyan:

Smh, at least wait 2 weeks after release before you try to get it from here

I don't really see how it makes any difference, whoever doesn't want to pay will not pay, either now or in 2 weeks, and whoever wants to support Tori will do it regardless of if it's uploaded here or elsewhere for free. I personally will not pay since 60 bucks for a model that will (potentially) have as many addons as Runa to make her even slightly unique is a deal breaker. Runa alone with the hair pack and the boobas is already as expensive as the Ultimate Edition of an EA game.

Piracy isn't always a service problem and converting non-payers into payers with stuff like DRM doesn't work.