You can stop the Moratorium now, Runyant sales will stop in like 12 hours or so anyway. Huge thanks to everyone who actually put effort into keeping it up, it's really flattering.
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Full Cyant Model 01 Assets List:Thanks for holding back so much, I appreciate it a lot. After 14 days I wouldn't mind providing ShutDog with a code personally so they can share the original and updated version at all times.
For limited time Avis I would share a code at the very end, then people have access to it. After sales end it doesn't matter anyway. Would that be something you guys are interested in? No more hunting for the newest versions, heh.
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LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets)I mean let's just chill a bit because 60$ can be make or break for some people so I really REALLY don't mind if people download it from here. Especially if you're in a country with weak currency, the exchange rate will make it ridiculously overpriced. Of course I won't expect people to give away their entire monthly salary for our Avis, I'd probably rather pirate it myself in that situation.
TL;DR: Product is always as described, buy if you feel it's worth the price tag, otherwise don't worry about it.
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LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets)You guys need to understand that you don't need to buy my add-ons to customize Runa, a lot of people make their own stuff or just put something together with a random assortment of assets. I also see what people like in my statistics and sales, I see what they're willing to spend and what's popular with people. I also need to take feedback from piracy websites about my prices with a grain of salt (for obvious reasons) because it's almost exclusively a complaint from here and not feedback that's coming from my customers. Another issue I saw from people here is that If I make legs now an sell them for 15$, people will think it's fine. However, if I make 10 legs and sell each for 15$ then those same people will go "What, 150$ worth of addons?" Just makes no sense to me, sorry.
To give 0 value to optimization here and say "it's your choice is a creator" is also nonsense. Yeah no shit that it's my choice but that's not a "you didn't need to do this" thing. I want to release quality stuff, simple as that. A lot of my community members DO care for it, they're very hands-on with customizing my Avis and the optimization is a big selling point for them.
And what's this about "you don't get to decide on behalf of people" nonsense, as if I mass hypnotize people and force them to buy my products. Clearly when someone buys the products based on what I have listed and shown, it absolutely IS worth it the price to them. You get what you see, I always show the product from a lot of angles AND create a showcase video so people can see it in motion and use. My descriptions will always tell you what you're buying, all requirements are also ALWAYS listed. I will never make a product that "hides" flaws or requirements.
Also know that I am not here to pick fights, the piracy side of this is just really interesting to me because ultimately this is some form of advertisement for me and most importantly, it's also a good spot to collect feedback. You don't need to be my customer for me to care about your opinion, if you feel like 60$ is too much for example then that's already valuable feedback for me to collect. In hindsight maybe I should have made her 50$ again and tried to get a higher sales number instead of more from each sale. I think what I will do is release her on Boosty later down the line and make her like 40$ there (cause we get a better cut from Boosty).
But that's why she will receive a few free updates for now, because I am a little unhappy with the lack of Gun for example. Okay it looks cool in the holster but it just feels "wrong" that you can't use it right now. It's just more fun if you can pull and fire it. If you guys got suggestions for the laser turret, it would be greatly appreciated. I don't really want to make it fire and idk if it tracking your head would rotation/movement would just make it clip with yourself ...
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LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets)Are you expecting free work or something? Sorry, for not selling 30 kitbashed Avatars.
The original Avatar is good, it's being sold, then we work on an attachment. Of course we expect to get paid for the newly made thing.
If we sell 3000 attachment for Runa, then of course the full thing will be expensive af but it also means we made 3000 new things LOL.What kind of logic is this supposed to be? Robo GF Add-On was also 2 Sets of booba, a pussy-plate, a dick and an interior animated pump.
I also put a lot of value into making sure that the released Avatars don't drop your friends FPS by 30 for just existing. Okay, optimization is not a cool funny feature to use, but it's pretty damn important and makes the creation process really hard and lengthy sometimes.Cyant01 for example is 64k Poly, sorry but I'm really proud of that fact. Making completely new legs will be the work of 30-40% of making an Avatar from scratch again, how would you price that for example?
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LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets)@Testing12 Nah we wanted to see if it sells first before we added stuff like that, it does.
Gun is being made holdable and shootable, also normal legs planned. The Gun update is free ofc.
The laser turret will probably also get a free update, maybe with head tracking..?
Any maybe for the facetracked version make it aim at wherever your eyes track, not sure yet... -
LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets)@ShutDog1212 It's fiiiine, I appreciate it though.
That aside, give feedback for how you like the Avi and maybe some add-on suggestions >:)
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LF: CYANT by Torinyan (and additional assets)Smh, at least wait 2 weeks after release before you try to get it from here
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LF: [VRC][Limited] Shkurka NekoMekka Assets (4/6)@ShutDog1212 Don't worry dear, it's not really your responsibility but I appreciate it a lot. No need to apologize!
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LF: [VRC][Limited] Shkurka NekoMekkaThere's a Robot Fox planned, from the same artist "nradiowave". We call her Diesel Fox. But no nine tailed fox, heh.
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LF: [VRC][Limited] Shkurka NekoMekka Assets (4/6)I appreciate the effort at least, a genuine big thanks to most people here for being considerate about it.
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LF: [VRC][Limited] Shkurka NekoMekka@Eris-Greyrat I appreciate it, thanks dear. After 28th August do whatever!
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LF: [VRC][Limited] Shkurka NekoMekkaCould I request you guys to not distribute links of NekoMekka for 3 weeks, during the sale period? Torinyan here btw, I don't really mind if it's being shared around like this, especially if you can't afford to pay for avis (personal situation or just bad exchange rate).
However, it's a limited time Avatar and after the 28th of August (end of sale period) it won't affect sales anymore, heh. Would that be okay for you guys?
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Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:Hey guys, I'm going to release a new limited time Shkurka for 3 weeks, I wanted to ask if you could not share it around in that time period? Afterwards I won't care!
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Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:Pink Runa Sales have concluded, thank you so much for being considerate and not releasing a download link in that time period. Really happy about that, I appreciate it a lot.
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Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:@shadowangelking
I appreciate the kind words, thank you dear.
nradiowave art, Runa is their OC and Design. Looked great and interesting, would also translate really well into a 3D Avatar. I recommend checking them out but beware of NSFW, heh.
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Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:@arse123
Yes, both Gumroad and Booth make good money. @arse123
The ripperstores in general are not really impactful when it comes to sales, but it's really hard to check if this is actually true or not.I guess the ONLY thing that annoys me with sites like this is that NEWLY released stuff gets uploaded. I really wouldn't care if it was things that were released at least 1 month, since their relevance goes down and most people that were interested in it, already bought it. This way you guys could get this stuff for free while not really impacting sellers.
It's also an easy position for me to say this stuff since I make enough that I won't starve, but seeing you guys upload even Textures from tiny sellers ofc makes me a little upset. Imo the damage done to small sellers is much bigger than to big ones.
If instead of 1000 sales I make 900 due to the ripperstore, it's a lot of money lost but no big deal regardless. If a tiny seller makes 5 sales instead of 20, it can be
I hope you guys don't see this as an attack of some sorts, just sharing my thoughts since this topic came up and someone asked about booth sales.
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Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:@ShutDog1212
That's so nice of you, thank you dear.
After the sale ends, I definitely won't care, heh.@DTS You don't need to stop using the avi, if you don't have the means to pay for it then please don't worry about it. I appreciate the thought, but it won't change anything for me and at least you get to use something you like.
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Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:EH!? You could at least wait until the sale period is over at 17th July, so this would not affect the store in any way..
So mean.. ;_;
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Full Torinyan Runa/Luna Assets List:More meshes = lower rating for optimization
Runa is a pretty complex Avatar design-wise and she's still rated medium. Even if she was rated red, she'd be pretty optimized. However, for a lot of people it's simply very interesting to stay either green or medium. Right now she can be made green and into a backup/quest Avatar with just a few tweaks too. This is extremely important for marketability.
The average customer does not edit Avatars, they simply use them as base version and provided with the base packages. Also nothing about her being modular is false, she's meant to be used with the assets I provide in my own store. Believe it or not, but people being able to buy and follow tutorials is simply the preferred method for many people. People like you that have somewhat of a know-how make up a tiny percentage of my customers. I'd rather inconvenience the 5% of people that could use the mentioned changes you want than to inconvenience my other 95%.
Even if it wouldn't inconvenience the 95%, the number of people it's relevant to is often very small. It's often not worth putting much time into it after releases, especially when people learned how to do things over time.
I want to point out that the goal is not to make the perfect Avatar, yes in the end Runa can be optimized, made more editing friendly and so on but you need to move on with projects. Right now she's already 5 months old and I'd like to eat, meaning there needs to be new things releasing and not just tweaking things people learned how to use. New things is usually also what people want, it's good for them since they get more Runa and good for me because I like money.
About the pricing, they're more than fair. I know the quality provided in the store and everything added together my assets often only cost 5$ per piece in packages. Third party products for Runa are even more expensive than this. Even Runa herself is pretty cheap, considering people want 70$ (and more) for their Kitbash Avatars.
I came here to collect feedback and not just compliments, so even if I disregarded a bunch of your arguments, I want you to know that there's usually a justification behind the decisions I make, based on the data I get from my customers and fans. Of course this doesn't apply to everything, I'm not all knowing and not excluded from really dumb decisions. No hard feelings dear.
I'll keep your feedback in mind though for the next Avatar that is going to be in the works soon. I think you guys will like it. Initially there was a femboy furry Avatar planned but that idea might just get scrapped, no idea.
Also @DTS maybe for Halloween she can get a big witch hat~
Although by then she's pretty old, generally the life-cycle for successful Avatar releases is around 6 months.BTW, I really wanted to ask what countries you all are from? Gumroad offers a feature where I can adjust the pricing to peoples countries, because 10$ can be very little here but a looooot in another country. Maybe it opens up a way for people outside the US/EU to buy products properly too and receive official support.
I guess I'm just scared that people might abuse this with a VPN to pay much cheaper prices and ruin it for people that could actually need it.